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[[File:Rees-Mogg.png]] Rees-Moggism<br>
[[File:Rees-Mogg.png]] Rees-Moggism<br>
[[File:Scrutonism.png]] Scrutonism<br>
[[File:Scrutonism.png]] Scrutonism<br>
[[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism<br>
[[File:Cball-UK.png]] British National Social Capitalism [[File:NatSocCap.png]] ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism, somewhat)<br>
[[File:Libclasscon2.png]] Libertarian Classical Conservatism ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism)<br>
[[File:Gamer.png]] Laytonism<br>
[[File:Gamer.png]] Laytonism<br>
[[File:ClassUSCon.png]] [[Hamiltonianism|American Whiggism]]<br>
[[File:ClassUSCon.png]] [[Hamiltonianism|American Whiggism]]<br>
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[[File:CenterAuthRight.png|link=:Category:Centrists]] [[:Category:Centrists|{{Color|#C0C0C0|'''Center-'''}}]][[:Category:Authoritarian Right|{{Color|#92D9F8|'''AuthRight'''}}]] ([[File:Adams.png]] Adamsism)<br>
[[File:CenterAuthRight.png|link=:Category:Centrists]] [[:Category:Centrists|{{Color|#C0C0C0|'''Center-'''}}]][[:Category:Authoritarian Right|{{Color|#92D9F8|'''AuthRight'''}}]] ([[File:Adams.png]] Adamsism)<br>
[[File:ModTrad.png|link=:Category:Cultural Center]] [[:Category:Cultural Center|{{Color|#8BC34A|'''Culturally Center-'''}}]][[:Category:Culturally Right|{{Color|#8BC34A|'''Right'''}}]]<br>
[[File:ModTrad.png|link=:Category:Cultural Center]] [[:Category:Cultural Center|{{Color|#8BC34A|'''Culturally Center-'''}}]][[:Category:Culturally Right|{{Color|#8BC34A|'''Right'''}}]]<br>
([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism)<br>
{{Info|Nationalists}} [[File:Bulnes.png]] Manuel Bulnes Thought)<br>
[[File:Rightunity-yellow.png|link=:Category:Right Unity]] [[:Category:Right Unity|{{Color|#F5F5A9|'''Right'''}}{{Color|#93DAF8|'''Unity'''}}]]
{{Info|Nationalists}} ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism, [[File:Bulnes.png]] Manuel Bulnes Thought)<br>
[[File:Rightunity-yellow.png|link=:Category:Right Unity]] [[:Category:Right Unity|{{Color|#F5F5A9|'''Right'''}}{{Color|#93DAF8|'''Unity'''}}]] ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism)<br>
{{Info|Religious}} ([[File:Amroyal.png]] American Loyalism, [[File:ClassUSCon.png]] American Whiggism, [[File:Rees-Mogg.png]] Rees-Moggism)<br>
{{Info|Religious}} ([[File:Amroyal.png]] American Loyalism, [[File:ClassUSCon.png]] American Whiggism, [[File:Rees-Mogg.png]] Rees-Moggism)<br>
{{Info|Libertarians}} ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism)<br>
[[File:Reactcross.png]] [[:Category:Reactionary|{{Color|#FFE74D|'''Reactionary'''}}]] ([[File:Amroyal.png]] American Loyalism)<br>
[[File:Reactcross.png]] [[:Category:Reactionary|{{Color|#FFE74D|'''Reactionary'''}}]] ([[File:Amroyal.png]] American Loyalism)<br>
{{Info|Welfarists}} ([[File:EnochPowell.png]] Powellism) <br>
{{Info|Authoritarian Unity}} ([[File:Bulnes.png]] Manuel Bulnes)
{{Info|Authoritarian Unity}} ([[File:Bulnes.png]] Manuel Bulnes)
}}
}}
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*[[File:Wignat.png]] [[White Nationalism|Thomas Carlyle]] (1795-1881) [[File:Cball-GB.png]] Great Britain
*[[File:Wignat.png]] [[White Nationalism|Thomas Carlyle]] (1795-1881) [[File:Cball-GB.png]] Great Britain
*[[File:Carroll.png]] [[Liquid Democracy|Lewis Carroll]] (1832-1898) [[File:Cball-UK.png]] UK
*[[File:Carroll.png]] [[Liquid Democracy|Lewis Carroll]] (1832-1898) [[File:Cball-UK.png]] UK
*[[File:EnochPowell.png]] [[National Conservatism|Enoch Powell]] (1912-1998) [[File:Cball-UK.png]] UK
*[[File:Red Tory.png]] [[Paternalistic Conservatism|George Grant]] (1918-1988) [[File:Cball-Canada.png]] Canada
*[[File:Red Tory.png]] [[Paternalistic Conservatism|George Grant]] (1918-1988) [[File:Cball-Canada.png]] Canada
*[[File:Thatcher.png]] [[Conservative Liberalism|Norman Tebbit]] (1931-) [[File:Cball-UK.png]] UK
*[[File:Thatcher.png]] [[Conservative Liberalism|Norman Tebbit]] (1931-) [[File:Cball-UK.png]] UK
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**[[File:Reactcross.png]] [[Reactionaryism]]
**[[File:Reactcross.png]] [[Reactionaryism]]
**[[File:Trad.png]] [[Traditionalism]]
**[[File:Trad.png]] [[Traditionalism]]
}}
*[[File:EnochPowell.png]] '''Powellism''' {{Collapse|
**[[File:AntiAm.png]] Anti-Americanism
**[[File:Anti-Colonial.png]] Anti-Colonialism (After 1947)
**[[File:Antifash2.png]] [[Anti-Fascism]] (Self-proclaimed)
**[[File:Antimultcult.png]] Anti-Immigration
**[[File:Hibernophobia.png]] Anti-Irish Republicanism (In Northern Ireland at least)
**[[File:Cball-UK.png]] [[Centralism|British Unionism]]
**[[File:Civlibert.png]] [[Civil Libertarianism]]
**[[File:ClassyConlib.png]] [[Conservative Liberalism]]
**[[File:Euroscept.png]] Hard Euroscepticism
**[[File:Isolationist.png]] [[Isolationism]] (After 1947)
**[[File:Libclasscon2.png]] [[Libertarian Conservatism]]
**[[File:Neobert.png]] [[Neo-Libertarianism|Libertarian Imperialism]] (Before 1947)
**[[File:LiberMon.png]] [[Libertarian Monarchism]]
**[[File:Monet.png]] [[Monetarism]]
**[[File:CONNATCLASS.png]] [[National Conservatism]]
**[[File:MidTory.png]] [[National Liberalism]]
**[[File:Natlib.png]] [[National Libertarianism]]
**[[File:NatSocCap.png]] [[Welfare Chauvinism|National Social Capitalism]]
**[[File:IFL Partyball.png]] [[Nazism|Nazism]] (Accused, denied) <ref>In addition to his controversial views on immigration, Powell was also arrested during WW2 as a suspected spy for singing the ‘Horst Wessel Lied’</ref>
**[[File:ToryPopulism.png]] [[Right-Wing Populism]]
**[[File:AES.png]] [[Capitalist Communism|Soft Pro-Sovietism/Russophilia]] [[File:Soft Russophilia.png]]
**[[File:SyndieSamCon.png]] [[Syndicalism|Trade Unionism]]
**[[File:Whitesup.png]] [[White Nationalism]]
}}
}}
*[[File:WHH.png]] '''Proto-Harrisonism''' {{Collapse|
*[[File:WHH.png]] '''Proto-Harrisonism''' {{Collapse|
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ClassCons emphasize the need for the principles of a transcendent moral order, the bonds of social order, and the defense of ancestral institutions over what they consider as [[File:Anin.png]] [[Anarcho-Individualism|excessive individualism]].
ClassCons emphasize the need for the principles of a transcendent moral order, the bonds of social order, and the defense of ancestral institutions over what they consider as [[File:Anin.png]] [[Anarcho-Individualism|excessive individualism]].


They also place a strong emphasis on [[File:Sec.png]] [[Authoritarianism|authority]] and [[File:Trad.png]] [[Traditionalism|tradition]] among other things. Civically speaking, the ideology can vary between moderately authoritarian (most ClassCons) to somewhat libertarian (Powell, for example).
They also place a strong emphasis on [[File:Sec.png]] [[Authoritarianism|authority]] and [[File:Trad.png]] [[Traditionalism|tradition]] among other things. Civically speaking, the ideology can vary between moderately authoritarian (most ClassCons) to somewhat libertarian (Burke, for example).


Despite being culturally right, they are generally neither [[File:Nation.png]] [[Nationalism|nationalist]] (with the exception of Enoch Powell) nor [[File:Reactcross.png]] [[Reactionaryism|reactionary]] (although the latter is debatable).
Despite being culturally right, they are generally neither [[File:Nation.png]] [[Nationalism|nationalist]] (with the exception of the modern day) nor [[File:Reactcross.png]] [[Reactionaryism|reactionary]] (although the latter is debatable).
==History==
==History==
Classical Conservatism, or rather Toryism can be said to originate in late 17th-century England, in which there was a dispute over the right of the Catholic James, brother of King Charles II, to succeed the throne. Those who supported James were known as Tories, and their ideology Toryism. Tories were generally staunch monarchists and Anglicans, and favoured agrarianism over industrialism, in addition to being opposed to radical reform such as that advocated for by [[File:Foxite.png]] [[Radicalism|Foxites]].
Classical Conservatism, or rather Toryism can be said to originate in late 17th-century England, in which there was a dispute over the right of the Catholic James, brother of King Charles II, to succeed the throne. Those who supported James were known as Tories, and their ideology Toryism. Tories were generally staunch monarchists and Anglicans, and favoured agrarianism over industrialism, in addition to being opposed to radical reform such as that advocated for by [[File:Foxite.png]] [[Radicalism|Foxites]].


==Variants==
==Variants==
===[[File:EnochPowell.png]] '''Powellism'''===
'''Powellism''' is an economically right-wing (but also [[File:Welf.png]] [[Welfarism|welfarist]]), [[File:ModTrad.png]] culturally center-right, and highly [[File:Nation.png]] [[Nationalism|nationalistic]] ideology, based on the political beliefs of former [[File:Con-t.png]] [[Conservatism|Conservative]] and later [[Protestant Theocracy|Ulster Unionist]] MP, Enoch Powell.

Powell was most well-known from his [[File:Antimultcult.png]] anti-immigration rhetoric (in particular his warnings of ‘Rivers of Blood’ if immigration continued ‘en masse’). He was also a [[File:Whitesup.png]] [[White Nationalism|White Nationalist]]- claiming that those descended from Caribbean and Asian immigrants did ‘not, by being born in England, become an Englishman. In law he becomes a United Kingdom citizen by birth; in fact he is a West Indian or an Asian still.’

Although he had previously held [[File:Imp.png]] [[Imperialism|imperialist]] views (with an ambition to become [[File:Cball-British India.png]] Viceroy of India), upon [[File:Cball-India.png]] Indian independence he decided the entire [[File:BritishEmpire.png]] British Empire must go alongside it. Britain should, in the eyes of Powell, return to the period of ‘[[File:Isolation.png]] [[Isolationism|splendid isolation]]’. He opposed Britain being involved in international organisations and alliances, particularly with the [[File:Cball-US.png]] [[American Model|United States]], which he accused of destroying the British Empire and seeking to re-unify [[File:Cball-Ireland.png]] Ireland in order to ensure its membership of [[File:Cball-NATO.png]] [[Neoconservatism|NATO]]. Powell’s anti-Americanism was so strong that he even saw the [[File:Cball-USSR.png]] [[Marxism-Leninism|Soviet Union]] as a potential ally for Britain in countering American influence in Europe (despite Powell himself being [[File:Cap.png]] pro-capitalist).

As mentioned above, Powell was generally pro-capitalist and pro-free market in the sphere of economics. He believed that business interests should be looked after by the people that best understood them – in Powell’s view, this was businessmen and not politicians. He was the first major UK politician to call for de-nationalision of public services in the 1960s. However, while Powell was very much a [[File:Monet.png]] [[Monetarism|monetarist]], at the same time he also supported the welfare state and [[File:SyndieSamCon.png]] [[Syndicalism|trade unions]].

With regards to social views, Powell was was conservative in terms of his support for the maintenance of [[File:LiberMon.png]] [[Libertarian Monarchism|monarchy]], [[File:Anglican Theocracyf.png]] [[Protestant Theocracy|established religion]] and [[File:Arist.png]] [[Aristocracy|hereditary peers]] in governance. However, on other issues he was liberal/libertarian- he opposed the death penalty and corporal punishment while supporting no-fault divorce and other aspects of the ‘[[File:Prog-u.png]] [[Progressivism|permissive society]]’ established by [[File:UKLab.png]] [[Social Democracy|Labour]] Governments. He also voted to decriminalise [[File:Gay.png]] homosexuality as he did not regard "it as a proper area for the criminal law to operate".


===[[File:ClassUSCon.png]] '''American Whig Party'''===
===[[File:ClassUSCon.png]] '''American Whig Party'''===
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*[[File:Consocf.png]] [[Conservative Socialism]] - Socialism? I beg your pardon.
*[[File:Consocf.png]] [[Conservative Socialism]] - Socialism? I beg your pardon.
*[[File:Reactsoc.png]] [[Reactionary Socialism]] - I like Disraeli but you are quite insane.
*[[File:Reactsoc.png]] [[Reactionary Socialism]] - I like Disraeli but you are quite insane.
*[[File:Natcon.png]] [[National Conservatism]] - Marvelous, but if you will, please simmer down with the nationalism; Enoch Powell was very exemplary and excellent if I do say.
*[[File:Natcon.png]] [[National Conservatism]] - Marvelous, but if you will, please simmer down with the nationalism; Enoch Powell was quite a martyr if I do say so myself.
*[[File:Rpop-tinfoilhat.png]] [[Right-Wing Populism]] - Good Lord, they are annoying... but I do say they have the right ideas.
*[[File:Rpop-tinfoilhat.png]] [[Right-Wing Populism]] - Good Lord, they are annoying... but I do say they have the right ideas.
*[[File:Libconserv3.png]] [[Liberal Conservatism]] - Low Tory rubbish, but I have hope that they will prove me wrong.
*[[File:Libconserv3.png]] [[Liberal Conservatism]] - Low Tory rubbish, but I have hope that they will prove me wrong.