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Revision as of 21:04, 4 April 2024


Relations

Good (that I didn’t already mention as mine)

  • Neoliberalism - Seeing as how it doesn’t exist, I can only go off how it’s portrayed on this wiki. I generally find the way it’s portrayed as fine, other than the Reaganomics.
  • Democratism - I’ll vote for it, even as imperfect as it is. Best relevant American Party.
  • Supremism - Nevermind, THIS is who’d I’m gonna vote for!
  • Dean Phillips - Reaching incomprehensible levels of based, best Democrat. Such a shame he dropped out, maybe in 2028.
  • Barrack Obama - Great president and admirable man. He definitely could have cooled it with the drone strikes, though.
  • Freedom House - Genuinely one of the most based things ever, I just learnt about it and might have to donate.
  • Green Liberalism - SUPER good, the only reason that I didn’t put it in the ideological section is because I figure the other ideologies listed explain my opinion on this type of thing better.
  • Girondism - Best option for the French Revolution.
  • Localism - States’ Rights are overrated, but Local Rights are kinda based.

Mid

  • Joe Biden - Great president, but he would probably die into his second term, and the mere existence of his political career hinders better Dems like Dean Phillips.
  • Hayekism - The government SHOULD make money, but other than that… I would be mostly fine living in a Hayekist society, with one issue. A somewhat strong government is required to protect Liberalism across the globe. But if every country used the system so that there’s no anti-liberal actors, it would be good.
  • Classical Liberalism - Started it all! However, just because it was great in the past doesn’t mean it would work THAT well today.
  • Agrarianism - Well, central governments shouldn’t dedicate too much to agriculture, but in farming counties or regions it’s alright.
  • Kleptocracy - Depends whether it’s being used for good or evil. Typically, though, it is very bad.
  • Populism - It’s not a good idea to give the people everything they want, but some forms are okay.

Bad

  • Alt-Lite - Nothing but a conservative who hasn’t matured since sixth grade.
  • Hindutva - The closest real life ideology that we will ever get to the Burgundian Model. Theocratic, ultranationalist, reactionary, et cetera. Everything I hate.
  • Theodemocracy - I already hate Theocracies, and Mormonism is the the most deeply flawed, yet relevant sect of Christianity, with the pseudoscience. Also, I know they don’t do this now, but I think it was extremely hypocritical how racist (Murdering and framing for murder) the Mormon settlers were to Native Americans, who they thought they were the ‘chosen people.’[1]
  • Accelerationism - Everything constantly changing would be very bad for the mental health of most people.
  • Khrushchevism - Bro really banned jazz because he personally didn’t like it.

Literally Me

  • Kya - I think he actually used my ideology section as a template for his ideology section. Which, at least partially, makes him LITERALLY ME.
  • BasedMaddy & WD219 - LITERALLY ME…
  • Mebrouk - …but Muslim and a furry…
  • Semper Protinus - …or Mormon.

Based

  • 2x2Master - Even though he banned me from editing the Juche page for a week, he will forever be based for siding with on the fatness debate. Also, his ideology is somewhat based.
  • Daniello - Mid ideology, but a really nice person who made a bunch of icons for me.
  • EWBR2006 - Good ideology and seems like cool guy, just a little bit left of me.

Mid

Cringe

  • Kentucky Panda - Bro unironically supports tyrants like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong (Who both individually killed more people than Adolph Hitler, with un-exaggerated numbers), as well as the maniac known as Ted Kaczynski for some reason. I think he may be my complete ideological opposite, actually.
  • K1R4KW33NN - Sweden just joined NATO lolololo I’m glad you like my art, though.
  • SomeCrusader1224 - I admit, not as bad as some other conservatives, but still fundamentally misjudges what our beautiful nation was founded on and what’s in the Bible. Also, Climate Skepticism is braindead no matter what.
  • Rigby - I’m never going to be convinced that this guy isn’t racist.
  • EugeneTLT - We used to be cool, but he became one of my biggest opps for messing with many of the icons I made/edited.
  • BlartyBoy - Nah.
  • RevUkr20 - Downplays the evils of Communism on this wiki.
  • Japanball - Just a moderate Showa Statist who’s friends with a Nazi. The atomic bombs were totally justified.

American Politics in 2028

Please note: This is meant to be Alt-History, not a prediction. Also, it takes place in a world where the Electoral College was abolished, to make it more realistic.

Democratic Party

Republican Party

Solidarity Party

Green Party

No Labels

My Family’s Ideologies

Dad

Quasi:

Mom

First-Born Sister

Quasi:

Second-Born Sister

Gallery

Comments

  • KY Panda - You want sum icons thug? Also I added you
  • Rojtavs - I saw your comment in every user page, which you don't know how to do this icon png. I recommend you download and use paint.net, then you can take some icons like , that's it and very simple.
    • - Thank you!
  • Daniello - I'm not proud of my work, but I tried to make your personal icon: .
    • - Thank you very much! Sorry it took so long to say that, I had to renew my email. But what do you mean you aren’t proud? It looks very good. In fact, could you make a few more? I already made the sketches for them.
    • - I made two icons: .
    • - Thanks!
    • - And Williamson icon with a bow:
    • - Thank you! But could you change one thing about ? Just add the blue stripes to the side?
    • - Done.
    • - Thank you! Did you receive the portrait?
    • - I made icon for Napoleon: and updated icon of Authoritarian Liberalism. And there is KHUNTO: .
    • - Thank you! Did you get the portrait?
    • — I fixed Bull Moose Progressivism and Nazi ideology. Also I made icons of PSA and CSA: . And there is New England.
    • - Thank you!
    • — I made icon of Center-left satirism: .
    • - Thank you!
  • Fsclander - What do you mean that """he""" may be your complete ideological opposite? I think I am more close to that than """him"""
    • - Well, I won’t know unless you link your page.
    • - I do not have any plan to explain my plans but I think this will help #
    • - What are you yapping about bro 💀
    • - You asked me to link my page so I tried something similar???
    • - Nah, you just called a fictional ideology your “plans” 💀
    • - Ideologies are not different from future plans actually
    • - Ideology definition; a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy. Plan definition; a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something.
    • KY Panda - Did bro censor my name LMFAO
    • - Bro is kinda suspicious ngl
    • - bro thinks he's some kinda shadowy, lone wolf sigma, You didn't answer if you wanted me to make you an icon, it's how I while away my school hours
    • - No thank you.
    • - KK just saw you constantly asking Comrade Ivanoff
    • - I figured out how to do it myself :)
  • Mintgosling - Sorry to bring this to you man, but moderator Athena_von_Krab will lock down the stratocracy icon file (File:Strato.png) if you keep changing it back from one made by User:WalterCyan (half/half ears design)
    • - Thanks for telling me. Could you tell her that, like I said on the page, it would be annoying to have ONE stratocracy-dog icon to have half-and-half ears and ALL the others unified colors.
    • - Hi, and HOLY MOLY. IS THAT AN ICON FOR ESOTERIC STATE-LIBERALISM NEO-ENLIGHTENMENT? Can I use it?
    • - Of course you can use it! I’m glad you like it :)
    • - Good, good. Also - do you have Discord? Just interested.
    • - I do not have a Discord.
    • - Sad, but still thanks for icon!
    • - No problem :) have a nice day!
  • Hi there, I just came to message you that I have noticed that you were editing the "non-quad" ideologies to "anti-anarchism", doesn't that seem rather arbitrary? -AnAnonBoi123
    • I don’t think so, because non-quadrant includes the absolute edge of Libleft or Libright, would would be anarchist. But not all non-quadrant ideologies are anarchist or could work in anarchist structures. -Thugtholomew
    • But plenty of the ideologies you had included were either totally compatable with anarchist or anarchist-adjacent thought (democracy, alt-globalism, and meritocracy for instance) and by that logic I would have an equal or greater justification to classify each of those ideologies you mention "anti-totalitarianism" as well which would seem odd since that would include most ideologies that are not explicitly totalitarian just like your category "anti-anarachism" since both are extremes on the auth-lib spectrum. -AnAnonBoi123
  • Technically. But demoCRACY and meritoCRACY implies statehood. And Alter-Globalism requires countries to exist to cooperate and limit trade, as that is the basis of Alter-Globalism
    • This is just silly, firstly, -CRACY in most modern contexts merely means "form of government" and anarchy; rule by none, is a form of government, secondly, countries and nations are not nor ever have been contrary to anarchism, as nations of various people-groups have existed long before state structures ever came into being and many stateless nations still exist even today. Indeed most if not all anarchists oppose the "nation-state" but that's not the same as nations themselves. And finally replacing categories for all the countless ideologies (some of which even have many anarchist off-shoots) without any agreement or approval whatsoever from the moderation or wider community merely because you feel like it (at least I assume) is causing far more confusion and friction than any help such a categorization would provide.
  • I did not start the Non-Anarchist classification, I only liked it and expanded it. And while Anarchism is technically “rule by none”, most anarchists oppose government. And rule is required for government, and thus democracy and meritocracy.
    • At the most generous and charitable, I would see this as a misconception of anarchists and their ideology, anarchism is a form of government, and thus are not opposed to the concept of a government itself but rather government through unjust hierarchy and statehood, not to mention both democracy and meritocracy (merit and not ones lineage, wealth, nor traditional hierarchy) at least regarding left-anarchists, are radically advocated by said individuals more than most other ideologies as they openly confirm such leanings themselves, and besides, I would much rather prefer that its the actual anarchists themselves who are the ones classifying ideologies as "anti-anarchist" or not by consensus with eachother and the wiki moderation rather than just anyone who wants to fit it into any non-quad movements that they want to just because they feel like it and what they merely belive anarchists to stand for over the actual anarchists themselves.
  • ”While anarchy specifically represents a society without rulers, it can more generally refer to a stateless society, or a society without government. Anarchy is thus defined in direct contrast to the State, an institution that claims a monopoly on violence over a given territory.” -CRACY means rule of. And in DemoCRACY, you are quite literally voting for who should RULE. MeritoCRACY is the RULE of the most talented.
    • This seems far more to be focused on semantics rather than anything which substantially represents actual anarchist positiosn both in theory and in practice.
  • Listen, MOST anarchists oppose rulership of government. And Democracy is voting for who should RULE over you in GOVERNMENT. Meritocracy is the RULE of the talented.
    • Again, a semantic difference that has no bearing on actual anarchist positions.
  • Did you even read what I said? I stated that anarchists oppose RULE, which is intrinsically part of government.
    • With all due respect, I think you just don't really understand anarchism, as well as what a "government" is, at least in this context.
    • Anarchism is generally stateless. That’s why Anarcho-Nationalism exists, because the distinction is needed, as most Anarchists are nation-less.
      • As I have already clarified here, nation's and states are completely different things and many stateless nations have existed and continue to exist independent of statehood, also the nationalist forms of anarchism are advocates for nationhood in a stateless sense, and are certainly not "pro-state" anarchists (which is an oxymoron and doesn't exist excluding joke-ideologies like anarcho-totalitarianism made to invent the concept of "statist anarchists" for the sake of comedy), as I have stated before, you seem to be basing your understandings of anarchism on your misunderstandings of the ideology that don't actually represent anarchism in reality.
  • This wiki defines nationalism as “Nationalism, is a non-quad, culturally ambigious ideology, specifically a Values ideology representing Nationalism in general without a specific country attached. It is a concept and movement advocating for the alignment of the nation's identity within the boundaries of the state.”, STATE. Both of us can agree that states cannot be anarchist.
    • Honestly, I don't really think the wiki gives the best definitions and regardless, using simple definitions like that to describe whole ideological tendencies of political thought; trying to define countless radically differing and conflicting interpretations into one uniform definition is always going to lead to much of the nuance and complexity left out into one incredibly vague understanding that hardly represents many of the movements that identify with said ideology (see: Socialism, Anarchism, Democracy, etc.) and anyway, it doesn't disregard my point in the slightest that this is an entirely redundant classification for the ideologies you apply the label to instead of "non-quad".
  • The Political Compass is kinda bad too, but you still use its ‘non-quadrent.’
    • That's irrelevent.

Notes

  1. Please note; I DO NOT HATE MORMONS. I just think Mormonism is deeply flawed, which doesn’t combine well with a theocracy (which I already hate).